Decision-Making Through Peer Pressure

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Decision-Making Through Peer Pressure

2004 Pontiac GTO Ram Air

The right choice...

Our good friend, world traveller, O.G. Hoon, occasional AtomicToasters contributor (and one hell of an awesome person) Number_Six is currently going through a mid-life crisis purchasing dilemma when it comes to (finally) replacing his hateful little econobox with a big-boy car. He’s narrowed it down to two options, and now his only real dilemma is that he’s refusing to listen to me.

The other option... don't let him make the wrong choice.

In fairness, they’re both excellent choices. One, simply put, is much more betterer. He’s narrowed it down to a 2005 Mazda RX-8 with very low kilometres… or a 2004 Pontiac GTO, also with very low kilometres, with the smaller 5.7L V8.
Clearly, we, as responsible Hoons, have an obligation to help poor Number_Six in his decision making process, and explain to him, firmly but gently, why the only real choice is the GTO. Aussie Awesomeness or just another Japanese compromise? I think it’s an easy choice. But our commenters are far more eloquent than I. So help our fellow Hoon make the one right decision, and spare him another few years of regret!

By |2011-08-16T10:00:17+00:00August 16th, 2011|All Things Hoon|125 Comments

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  1. dukeisduke August 16, 2011 at 10:03 am - Reply

    Uh, definitely the GTO. I'll bet it will get better mileage (kilometerage?) than the RX-8.

    • Tanshanomi August 16, 2011 at 11:00 am - Reply

      But do we only buy cars for their kilometers per litre? I know I don't.

      • OA5599 August 16, 2011 at 12:35 pm - Reply

        How about newtons per hectare?

        • Deartháir August 16, 2011 at 3:12 pm - Reply

          Yards to the hog's head!

  2. muthalovin August 16, 2011 at 10:06 am - Reply

    It totally depends on present and future budget. The RX-8 will probably end up being more costly in the future, but the GTO is probably more expensive in Canada Funbucks.
    The purist in me says GTO or GTFO.

    • Devin August 16, 2011 at 10:08 am - Reply

      The GTO wasn't even sold in Canada, so it might be pretty tricky getting one.

      • Deartháir August 16, 2011 at 10:51 am - Reply

        There are tons of them in Alberta; not too much of a challenge.

    • Deartháir August 16, 2011 at 10:58 am - Reply

      I now think he also needs the "GTFO" personalized license plate.

  3. MrHowser August 16, 2011 at 10:07 am - Reply

    So, the GTO is faster, more economical, and (in my opinion) better looking. The RX-8 has… little suicide doors. I love me some suicide doors, but in this contest, my vote must go to the GTO.

  4. dukeisduke August 16, 2011 at 10:10 am - Reply

    That Rx-8 is faked, BTW. Here's a forum thread showing it, along with the original photo before PShopping:

    • Deartháir August 16, 2011 at 10:13 am - Reply

      Considering it's at about 160% scale, that can't be too surprising.

      • raphaelinberlin August 16, 2011 at 11:14 am - Reply


        • salguod August 17, 2011 at 9:51 am - Reply

          I like how in the video it never moves more than 5 feet and no faster than maybe 1 MPH. Oh, and one shot is putting it on a flatbed.
          I guess that's about right, who'd want to go faster or farther in that thing?

          • raphaelinberlin August 17, 2011 at 10:33 am

            The extended shots of the car going up on the flatbed are hilarious, but I would be proud and honored to drive that thing around. i would probably get mugged, but the robbers would have a hard time climbing up to get me, though.

    • muthalovin August 16, 2011 at 11:12 am - Reply

      I am totally shocked!

      • dmilligan August 16, 2011 at 12:30 pm - Reply

        Me too! I so desperately wanted him to buy the donked mazda. And to think the contributors would lie to us…

        • Deartháir August 16, 2011 at 3:12 pm - Reply

          Is your hovercraft really full of eels?

          • dmilligan August 16, 2011 at 5:52 pm

            For some reason, my spamfilter tosses all of your comments into the junk bin, just you, no one else. I wonder why that is?

    • BlackIce_GTS August 16, 2011 at 3:39 pm - Reply

      They're both 'shopped, the "GTO" is actually a Saab 9-6C:
      <img src=""&gt;

  5. Age_of_Aerostar August 16, 2011 at 10:15 am - Reply

    Clearly, the GTO is the right choice…. but are there two specific samples that you're looking at, because, as boring as it sounds, how well they were maintained will be important.
    Another GTO plus: When someone asks what you drive, you can say: "Aussie Awesomeness!"

  6. Smells_Homeless August 16, 2011 at 10:19 am - Reply

    They're both nice cars, to tell the truth. The GTO's interior is a nicer place to be for long periods, IMO. The RX8 will out-handle the GTO handily. I don't know what the figures are, but the GTO feels about a thousand times quicker. The torque is awesome in the goat.
    The downside to the goat is that parts are already getting tricky to get. Look for outer tie rod wear (it shows up as a shimmy in the steering wheel under breaking.) Also, don't forget that the 04 has a smaller brake package along with the 5.7. I'd consider looking for an 05 or 06 unless he's already spotted his victim.
    /I'd buy another goat.

    • muthalovin August 16, 2011 at 11:20 am - Reply

      There is a 06 GTO on Craigslist here in Austin for right at $18k, and has 63K miles. I think it is a smoking deal. Orange too.
      There is a 04 GTO for $19995, and has 22k miles. Also, "It has had extensive performance mods done by LINGENFELTER PERFORMANCE ENGINEERING and Transmission work by RPM transmission." Black. Also pretty radical.

  7. ZomBee Racer August 16, 2011 at 10:20 am - Reply

    The dilemma is much more existential than merely choosing a car. He is at that fork in the road which will define the rest of his existence on this planet.
    He can choose to continue being "one hell of an awesome person"… or he can choose the Mazda.

  8. B72 August 16, 2011 at 10:20 am - Reply

    If he's narrowed it down to those choices, it's clear he doesn't care what other people think. We enthusiasts know the GTO is a good car, but to everyone else it's a Pontiac, and GM killed Pontiac because they sucked, right? And the RX8? The what? You bought it because it has a motor that you have to keep spinning and it gets lousy mileage? Why would you do that?
    Number_six: since you aren't listening, its safe to say get what you want. You are going to take crap from someone either way, but you are the one that has to stomp on the pedals every day. Go for the one that gives you happy feet.

  9. Devin August 16, 2011 at 10:27 am - Reply

    I have to admit, knowing that Pontiac never bothered officially selling the GTO in Canada, if I had a more accommodating bank account I'd totally say "don't listen to these suckers! Buy the RX-8!" and then go and quietly buy the GTO you found.
    But my bank account is saying "Nooooooo! There's nothing in me!" so go for the GTO.

    • Deartháir August 16, 2011 at 10:52 am - Reply

      I've considered the same thing. Much as I do like my LS, I'd trade it on a GTO in a heartbeat.

  10. Andrew August 16, 2011 at 10:35 am - Reply

    Buy the RX-8 and a set of RE-11 (or similar) "street" tires and autocross the wheels off it. Trust me, the racing (and cameraderie and ceaseless modifications which follow) more than makes up for the lack of torque.

  11. OA5599 August 16, 2011 at 10:36 am - Reply

    GTO draws on a heritage evoking John Delorean (in his prime), Major Nelson and Jeannie (in her prime), The Monkeemobile, the tiger, the Judge, and, through the Aussie connection, Crocodile Dundee.
    The RX-8 is a bigger, heavier, door-ier imitation of the RX-7.
    Of course, there is the issue of Jim Wangers's rug…
    <img src="; width=500>

    • dukeisduke August 16, 2011 at 12:25 pm - Reply

      Don't forget "My Three Sons". They had a deal with Pontiac, too.

  12. suju89 August 16, 2011 at 10:40 am - Reply

    This is a stock 5.7L Monaro….[youtube FYMK5VlJk7E youtube]

  13. $kaycog August 16, 2011 at 10:42 am - Reply

    It has to be the GTO! Just look at that styling. Girls just love GTO's.

    • Deartháir August 16, 2011 at 10:52 am - Reply

      Number_Six, hear that? $kaycog approves! You have no choice but to buy it now!!

      • $kaycog August 16, 2011 at 11:06 am - Reply

        You crazy man!

      • mr. mzs zsm msz esq August 16, 2011 at 1:09 pm - Reply

        Now, now, I have a buddy who had an RX-8 and an Elise. His old girlfriend got too clingy and wanted to get married and he moved-out. Then he sold the Elise and bought an RX-7 and some Accord or something. A week later, he has a new girlfriend, younger, with a bigger cup size, and okay with him never getting married. Coincidence? Maybe…
        <img src="; width="500">
        But on the other hand last Tuesday I was at a car show, took this picture, and the owner asked, "What do you think of the ex-wife?" case closed.
        TL;DR In the long run, the GTO will cost you more.

  14. TheRedCar August 16, 2011 at 10:50 am - Reply

    If he's doesn't have any kids, go to the GTO, if he's got rugrats to tote around, go RX8. I've had an RX8 and a kid for 7 years and you can't beat the ease of those doors. That said, I was looking really hard at the GTO back when I was shopping too. But then again, I've got a 65 GTO too. So that base is sorta covered.

  15. lilwillie August 16, 2011 at 10:53 am - Reply

    Which one will make you sound cool when you recite the owners manual specifications?
    Judge says, GTO.

  16. Deartháir August 16, 2011 at 10:53 am - Reply

    Also, if he buys the GTO, I can buy it off him in a year or two!

  17. Paul_y August 16, 2011 at 10:55 am - Reply

    This is how it works, people:
    RX-8 donk > GTO > regular RX-8

  18. tenbeers August 16, 2011 at 10:56 am - Reply

    GTO = more torque at idle than the RX-8 makes anywhere in the rev range.
    That is all.

    • Deartháir August 16, 2011 at 11:00 am - Reply

      My electric screwdriver makes more torque than the RX8 does.

      • tonyola August 16, 2011 at 11:31 am - Reply

        There's a wonderful device that effectively manages torque or the lack of it. It's called a transmission – preferably manually actuated. But I'd still vote GTO for other reasons.

      • pj134 August 16, 2011 at 2:36 pm - Reply

        You can always fix that with pneumatics.

  19. Tanshanomi August 16, 2011 at 11:09 am - Reply

    If you were short-listing the '90s FD RX-7, that would be a tougher choice. Only because I SOOO wanted one of those at the time, and they are therefore as sexy as a GTO in my mind. The RX-8, while a great car, has a slightly higher SMF ("soccer mom factor" or "suburban milquetoast factor"), so I can't get quite as tingly about it.

  20. Alff August 16, 2011 at 11:13 am - Reply

    From what I've seen of Alberta, the roads favor the GTO.

  21. Feds_II August 16, 2011 at 11:19 am - Reply

    Good God in Heaven, NEVER have the hoonve mind been more wrong than in this case.
    Buy the RX-8. It's the only choice here. You can have a truck powertrain nailed into a warmed over German antique by crimninals, or you can have a modern classic engineered and assembled by nuclear powered super geniuses.

    • Deartháir August 16, 2011 at 11:30 am - Reply

      We're talking about the milquetoast RX8, not the MX5. Come now.

    • muthalovin August 16, 2011 at 12:08 pm - Reply

      How is that nuclear powered super geniuses working out lately?

      • dukeisduke August 16, 2011 at 12:29 pm - Reply

        They've sprung some leaks, which will no doubt result in some irradiated super-beasts, that Godzilla will have to come out of retirement to deal with, in spectacular fashion.

        • Tanshanomi August 16, 2011 at 1:22 pm - Reply

          Fortunately, they've been rehearsing how to deal with irradiated super-beasts for five decades.

          • Deartháir August 16, 2011 at 3:14 pm

            Throw hands in air, run around in circles screaming like a school-girl?

          • skitter August 16, 2011 at 4:44 pm

            You forgot the part about getting Homeland Security money.

      • Feds_II August 16, 2011 at 7:37 pm - Reply

        Easily missed, but Hiroshima is nuclear powered for an entirely different reason than Fukushima. Let's not get into the relative health risk of various types of electricity generation.

  22. Screech August 16, 2011 at 11:25 am - Reply

    The Rx-8 is a fat, middle aged, turboless Rx-7 therefore the only way to go is GTO.

  23. LTDScott August 16, 2011 at 11:25 am - Reply

    The only thing that the RX8 beats the GTO on is handling. And perhaps rear seat access, but if you need that, neither of these two choices makes much sense.

  24. muthalovin August 16, 2011 at 11:26 am - Reply

    Price out rear tires before you buy. The GTO likes to eat them for lunch. The RX8 does not. The RX8 rears will last for the rest of your life.

    • OA5599 August 16, 2011 at 11:43 am - Reply

      Three GTO consumables: Gas. Tires. Oil.

      • Scandinavian Flick August 16, 2011 at 11:46 am - Reply

        Oil? I don't burn any oil at all, or know anyone with an LS motor who consumes an inordinate amount. Rotaries burn it by design… My RX-7 used to take down a quart every 500 miles. (It had issues…)
        Substitute "money" for the third, then I will agree as a product of the first two…

        • pj134 August 16, 2011 at 2:07 pm - Reply

          Yeah, rotaries are oil burners by design. Something something apex seals something something.

          • Scandinavian Flick August 16, 2011 at 3:15 pm
          • Deartháir August 16, 2011 at 3:24 pm

            I looked everywhere for that damn image when I was trying to explain to him (with many profanities) why he should be buying the GTO over the RX8.

    • TheRedCar August 16, 2011 at 11:54 am - Reply

      I wish that were really true. I've only got about 10 months on my Conti's and the rears are bald. Maybe 10k miles. It does feel like you could stick to a wall like a suction cup. I've just got to baby them till November to get to my winter tires and deal with a new set next year.

      • muthalovin August 16, 2011 at 12:02 pm - Reply

        Spoken like a true master procrastinator.

        • TheRedCar August 17, 2011 at 5:50 am - Reply

          Procrastinator yes, But broke procrastinator is more appropriate. I love driving on new tires. It's one of life's simple pleasures for a gear head.

          • muthalovin August 17, 2011 at 5:56 am

            Indeed. I just had the tires on my truck rotated, and it feels brand new/old.

    • P161911 August 16, 2011 at 12:09 pm - Reply

      If you are worried about tire life just get a cheap set of Kumhos. My 94 Vette went from a set of rears in <20k miles to 45k+ miles on a set. The Kumhos are a little hard a noisy, but much nicer on the pocket book. If you track or autocross the GTO, just get a set of super stickies for there. It would probably be cheaper in the long run.

      • pj134 August 16, 2011 at 2:09 pm - Reply

        He would need at the very least three sets of tires and best practice he would need three sets of wheels and tires… that is expensive in its own right.

  25. Scandinavian Flick August 16, 2011 at 11:28 am - Reply

    A little bird told me I should chime in 😉
    As an owner of a '06 GTO, and friend to a couple people who own RX8s, I can admit the RX8 is a nice car. It doesn't hold a candle to the GTO though. The GTO is more comfortable, more reliable, faster, and more easily modifiable. The only weak point (in my opinion and experience) is the suspension. That is easily fixed though, as there is a ton of aftermarket support. Check out Pedders to get some ideas from some crazy awesome Aussies.
    Rotaries are fun and quirky. They make you part of an exclusive club. The thing is, so does just owning a GTO. People stare, give you nods and thumbs up, ask you questions at the gas pump or parking lot, take pictures as you pass by… It's a fun experience, and it automatically gives you cred at any show or meet. Also, while Rotaries can be modified, the LS motors are arguably the most supported and modifiable powerplants on the automotive menu!
    One concern I always hear is "aren't you worried, with Pontiac dead, you won't have parts and service support?" No. They still make these things in the land down unda'. Whenever I order a replacement part (only twice in the last 25K miles) it comes in a box labeled "Holden." Most of the parts are GM parts bin anyway. If I can't find a crucial part, I'll just grab it off a Corvette… Need a body panel or two? Time for a Holden conversion… I have no concern at all that I will always be able to get replacements and upgrades for this awesome car.
    Get the GTO, and don't look back. Welcome to the club!

    • muthalovin August 16, 2011 at 12:05 pm - Reply

      'Whenever I order a replacement part (only twice in the last 25K miles) it comes in a box labeled "Holden."'
      Worth the price of admission for that alone!

      • Scandinavian Flick August 16, 2011 at 12:43 pm - Reply

        It was kinda exciting… The first time I got a part, I had to take a picture of the box. This one contains the grille with "GTO" on it.
        I can't recall how to embed a pic here, so it's just a link…

        • muthalovin August 16, 2011 at 12:48 pm - Reply

          <img src=""&gt;
          To do an image: <_img src_=_ "_ awesomeholdenpart.jpg_ "_ > and just delete the _

          • Scandinavian Flick August 16, 2011 at 12:58 pm

            Ahh, thank you! I tried that, but stuck a "/" before the closing ">"
            Incidentally, the only parts, other than regular oil changes and one set of tires (duh) that I have needed for this car in 25K miles of driving are that grille, (which was broken when I bought it) and carpet clips. (which were missing when I bought it)
            Since I now know how, here's a picture of half my car, sitting next to it's older brother.
            <img src=""&gt;
            Yeah, I know it's a LeMans… Whatever 😛

          • dukeisduke August 16, 2011 at 1:45 pm

            I had to snicker when I read, "Dandenong".

        • mr. mzs zsm msz esq August 16, 2011 at 12:56 pm - Reply

          That's beyond great! Also, shame on you for not coming around here more often 😉

          • Scandinavian Flick August 16, 2011 at 1:01 pm

            Shame rightfully accepted. I'll try to swing by from time to time.
            I'm ashamed to say, it took me about 5 minutes to remember my login… -_-

          • pj134 August 16, 2011 at 2:13 pm

            No shame in that.
            Took me five minutes to remember if I had pants on…

          • Deartháir August 16, 2011 at 3:17 pm

            What? Oh… sorry, reflex reaction there.

          • pj134 August 16, 2011 at 3:37 pm

            I'm kind of worried that I'm getting a Canadian One Eyed Salute from somewhere on the intertubes.

  26. Thrashy August 16, 2011 at 11:40 am - Reply

    There's a very simple question you should be asking that would resolve this: do you like your G's applied in a lateral manner, or in a longitudinal maner? If it's the former, buy the RX-8. If it's the latter, buy the Goat. If it's both… you should probably be looking at a WRX or something.

  27. sport_wagon August 16, 2011 at 12:00 pm - Reply

    Being a Mazda enthusiast, I would've said RX-8. But then I saw the orange GTO and, damn, it's hot.
    Orange GTO or GTFO.

  28. JayP August 16, 2011 at 12:01 pm - Reply

    For no other reason… GTO for the exhaust note.

  29. P161911 August 16, 2011 at 12:13 pm - Reply

    Torque is fun all the time. The handling difference between a GTO and an RX-8 should not be explored on public roads. If you are looking for an anutocrosser, get the RX-8, other wise GTO all the way.

    • tonyola August 16, 2011 at 12:18 pm - Reply

      What is a nut-o-crosser? Sounds painful. Why is the RX-8 better for that?

      • P161911 August 16, 2011 at 12:21 pm - Reply

        The fatfingered typing of Autocrosser.
        The RX-8 is more nimble than the GTO and would probably be faster around a tight SOLO II course.

        • Deartháir August 16, 2011 at 3:18 pm - Reply

          Typing with the ol' forehead again?

      • dmilligan August 16, 2011 at 12:34 pm - Reply

        Gearshift location, I'll wager.

    • pj134 August 16, 2011 at 2:17 pm - Reply

      The handling difference can be experienced on the road.
      Step 1: Push the traction control button while at a stop sign
      Step 2: Depress the accelerator
      Step 3: Remove yourself from the tree your GTO found attractive

  30. Maxichamp August 16, 2011 at 12:17 pm - Reply

    I vote the Mazda and a pallet of motor oil.

  31. yellofury August 16, 2011 at 12:22 pm - Reply

    If the Rx-8 has the R3 package then I say go for it: The Bilsteins and the near 50/50 weight distribution will make it uberfun in the twisties.
    The Goat will leave the Rx-8 in the dust in any drag race but I am not sure if it can take corners as smoothly as the Mazda.
    They both suck immensely at mpg but then again you buy a Prius for that kind of stuff not for having fun
    Personally I say leave sanity behind and buy an AMC AMX coupe

    • Deartháir August 16, 2011 at 3:27 pm - Reply

      There are very few automotive questions that can't be answered with an AMX.

  32. nofrillls August 16, 2011 at 1:17 pm - Reply

    Negative, Ghostrider, the correct answer is wankel.
    …sans donk.

  33. Maymar August 16, 2011 at 1:17 pm - Reply

    Part of me says get the GTO, since most of Calgary's roads seem to have been laid out by the same guy who designed the Volvo 740, so you'll appreciate the Goat more.
    On the other hand, the RX-8 feels like more of a stand against Alberta. Or rather, Albertans. The Mazda's oil and fuel consumption is a boon for Alberta.

  34. mdharrell August 16, 2011 at 1:45 pm - Reply

    You want my advice? A couple of weeks ago, craigsu asked about two-stroke vs. V4 SAABs and I expressed my preference for the two-stroke cars, in detail, over the course of several responses:
    Naturally, therefore, over the weekend I went out and bought a '68 96 V4.
    <img src="; width="450">
    My advice to Number_Six is buy whatever you want. I don't even follow my own advice, so why should you? I'd be happy to hear that you ended up with either kind of 96.

    • craigsu August 17, 2011 at 7:33 pm - Reply

      AAAAGGGHHH! Now stop that! Now you're making me want a 96 (or a 95) even more! My wallet can't take that kind of temptation right now. Judging from the license plate you don't live near me in NC so at least I can't be tempted to pay you a visit.

  35. Corvette_Poncho August 16, 2011 at 1:51 pm - Reply

    As a current owner of an 05 GTO, I can say that the biggest downside to the car is the fools who like to tell me "Nice Sunfire!" It handles good, although not RX-8 caliber. It's a blast to drive, sounds great and is a pretty comfortable car to drive long distance. Plenty 05-06s in Midwest for 16-18K. 04s are 12-15K

    • Smells_Homeless August 16, 2011 at 5:25 pm - Reply

      I've gotten Grand Am and Cavalier. It almost bothered me the first time. Almost.

  36. pj134 August 16, 2011 at 2:25 pm - Reply

    I was going to do a comparison between what a GTO race car looks like versus an RX-8 race car but I couldn't actually find a picture of a race prepped GTO moving in the direction it is facing (or really moving at all for that matter) on an actual track so I'll just leave you with this:
    <img src=""&gt;

  37. RichardKopf August 16, 2011 at 2:26 pm - Reply

    Wait, the answer isn't Miata, E30, or P71? Oh, right, this isn't GRM.
    Go with the GTO. The dude abides.

  38. Abe August 16, 2011 at 3:09 pm - Reply

    You guys KNOW I'm backing the GTO.
    The GTO has something you can never get with the RX-8. Every time I get into the car and turn the key it is an awe striking experience. Hearing and feeling that big V8 roar to life lets you know that it is indeed PARTY TIME.
    Like the others mentioned above I would pass on the '04 and go for and '05 or '06. They cost more but are worth every penny.

  39. Deartháir August 16, 2011 at 3:35 pm - Reply

    As an aside, I once again adore the fact that our commentariat is able to detect the distinct tongue-in-cheekiness in my post. Almost 100 comments, and no flame-wars, no name calling, and no unpleasantness, only a whole lot of hilarious comments and great conversations.
    There is no doubt about it. The Half-Assed Intergalactic MegaMedia Conglomerate has the best group of commenters on the internets.

    • pj134 August 16, 2011 at 5:04 pm - Reply

      You should change it to Superbly Half-Assed MegaMedia Intergalactic Conglomerate Homewebs. That way you get to put on the Sean Connery accent and make everyone think your an insane scot when you yell, "Come read my SHAMMICH!"

  40. Number_Six August 16, 2011 at 4:33 pm - Reply

    You shower of bastards! I'm going to buy a 2009 Focus instead. Autobox.

    • Devin August 16, 2011 at 4:36 pm - Reply
    • TurboBrick August 16, 2011 at 4:41 pm - Reply

      You know, you could also try a GTO, which is remarkably similar to that. Both have four or more cylinders, and it also comes with an automatic if you prefer. The 2-door was a very popular body style for family sedans for ages, so that's really a very good investment for the future.

    • pj134 August 16, 2011 at 5:07 pm - Reply

      Well I think we adequately displayed both potentials and if that is your decision so be it.
      If you buy anything else though, hell hath no fury like a Hooniverse sarcasmed.

  41. betterwrappedinbacon August 16, 2011 at 5:04 pm - Reply

    Has no one considered the best of both? Get the RX8 and swap in an LS1. No one thinks you have a gazillion torques and then, boom! You're gone.
    Wait. Did someone consider that? Because I didn't read through all of the comments.

  42. mdharrell August 16, 2011 at 5:06 pm - Reply

    Well, at least it didn't take you very long to give up on the autobox.

    • Number_Six August 16, 2011 at 5:17 pm - Reply

      Phone and bright sunshine = perilous commenting

  43. googler February 11, 2012 at 7:36 pm - Reply

    Aussie unreliability- cheaply build just another commodore.
    looks good heaps of power…but poor quality.
    Japs build it better
    Not that i like rotaries.
    Should be buyin an MX5 or a 200sx.

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